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« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2005, 01:51:36 AM »

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This of course was the reason why the British didn't allow the Americans to have weapons, and why the right to bear arms is now a part of the American Constitution.

.. And also why the constitution should be amended..



Nah. It's worked well for the last 200+ years, so I think we'll keep it...

Beside, a more paranoid person might ask, "Why are other countries of the world afraid to let their citizenry bear arms? Don't they trust their own people to do the right thing?"

Again, I maintain, "With great power comes great resonsibility."  The problem with living in a truly 'free' society, no?


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Yeah, some moderator really should move this topic, or split it, or both..


Nah -- it's part of the whole 'anything and everything' catergory.  I agree we've strayed from the original post topic, but some of the best discussions start out like this and grow (or is it mutate?)...

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« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2005, 04:07:06 AM »

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I am now playing on my PSP.  Cheesy  Just need to dump all my MT32 mp3s onto the memory stick now.

That and I await the day where someone ports some classic game emulators (ScummVM or DOSbox) to the PSP. That would be SOOOO nice.

I suggest you sell that piece of CRAP!
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« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2005, 01:55:24 PM »

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Nah. It's worked well for the last 200+ years, so I think we'll keep it...

Beside, a more paranoid person might ask, "Why are other countries of the world afraid to let their citizenry bear arms? Don't they trust their own people to do the right thing?"

Again, I maintain, "With great power comes great resonsibility." The problem with living in a truly 'free' society, no?

I'll respond to all those comments in one line, Gary.. if it's worked so well, if it's trusting to let your citizens bear arms, if the American people are so responsible with their constitutionally empowered rights.. why are there so many f*ing gun deaths in the country? Explain to me why it's so brillaint to live in such fear that you need a weapon just to feel safe enough to survive your day-to-day existance.  Explain to me why other countries should entrust such 'freedoms' to their people. Explain to me why a constitution made in wartime with the British; under specific circumstances, still applies now when the country is 'free'.

Ironcially I agree with ya other comment though Wink (Oh by the way- sorry for not replying to that overdue email! Life's been so damn busy the past month or so.)

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« Reply #63 on: March 31, 2005, 01:22:43 AM »

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Yes, I did read it first.. what can I say; I'm a lunatic, especially after midnight.  

That was some "thinking out loud" with a bit of sarcasm mixed in.

Well, I'm sorry, but that was fairly hard to tell. You sounded pretty legit to me..



What can I say, my point of view is sometimes way out there.   :wink:
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« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2005, 02:08:16 AM »

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I'll respond to all those comments in one line, Gary.. if it's worked so well, if it's trusting to let your citizens bear arms, if the American people are so responsible with their constitutionally empowered rights.. why are there so many f*ing gun deaths in the country? Explain to me why it's so brillaint to live in such fear that you need a weapon just to feel safe enough to survive your day-to-day existance.  Explain to me why other countries should entrust such 'freedoms' to their people. Explain to me why a constitution made in wartime with the British; under specific circumstances, still applies now when the country is 'free'.



I'll respond to all those comments in one line, Alistair:

There are more gun deaths in our country because our country has more guns, just as very few drownings occur in a desert.


You are under the assumption that the US is 1000x worse than the Wild West, with gun-toting maniacs on every corner.  Not true.

I don't own a gun, nor do I desire to.  From what I'm gathering, few countries, European or Asian, allow citizens to bear arms.  In the US, there is a minority of people who use guns when committing crimes, and another group of citizens who are taking advantage of their constitutional right to bear arms.  Everyone else simply lives their lives like other people do in other countries, without worrying one little bit about gun violence.

Look at it this way: Say a person from an uncivilized, horse-and-buggy society were to come to Australia today.  Looking at the deaths caused by automobile accidents, they might be inclined to say, "You Australians should outlaw your cars in order to save lives, because they are death-traps!  We have very few deaths attributed to automobile accidents [because we don't have cars], and you have so many deaths [because you do have cars]!  Think of how many lives could be saved!"  Kind of a disingenuous argument, huh?

It's a risk-benefit analysis -- hell, Life's a risk-benefit analysis every day: do I get out of bed or not?

As for removing the Second Amendment, it's easy.  All you have to do is get 2/3 of Crongress (BOTH houses: 67 of 100 Senators and 291 of 435 Representatives) and 3/4 of all the states (38 of 50) to vote for it.  Easy, huh?


It was actually the "Articles of Confederation" that were written during wartime, not the Constitution.  The AoC were written in 1777 at the start of the Revolutionary War after the colonists declared their independence, and it was ratified in 1781.  The Revolutionary War ended in 1783.  However, the AoC created a weak federal goverment, giving the states strong powers.  Unfortunately, this led to many problems and much fighting between the states.  So, in a "do-over" in 1787-1788, the AoC were dissolved and the Constitution was ratified during peacetime; however, it was based on lessons learned in wartime.

The Bill of Rights is not a list of rights that the federal goverment allows the citizens to have, but rather it is a list of limitations that the federal goverment must abide by.  It doesn't grant powers, it restricts them -- which is the beauty of the Founding Fathers' intent.

As far as the specific circumstances in which Amendment 2 was created, the consensus is that it's still in there so a free people can combat a tyranical government, if need be.  Very unlikely in this day and age, but still, you never know...


If there is an amendment that seems a little odd 200 years hence, it's actually the 3rd Amendment: The goverment cannot house soldiers in private residences without the permission of the home-owner in times of peace or war.


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« Reply #65 on: March 31, 2005, 02:19:04 AM »

Guys, I don't mean to be rude but I think this thread isn't the right place to discuss about guns and other related things. Alison started with a fun topic and it would be nice if it went along in that route. Perhaps we can continue discussing this in a new topic also in the Anything & Everything forum. Let's give respect to the original poster's topic of interest please.
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« Reply #66 on: March 31, 2005, 09:32:01 PM »

If gun-law discussions are bothering people like HondaSIR, I agree that the thread should be mutated off into its own separate thread.

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If there is an amendment that seems a little odd 200 years hence, it's actually the 3rd Amendment: The goverment cannot house soldiers in private residences without the permission of the home-owner in times of peace or war.


Makes sense to me.  Do you want soldiers setting up camp in your house without your permission?  Soldiers aren't known for being great houseguests.
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« Reply #67 on: March 31, 2005, 11:25:16 PM »

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Guys, I don't mean to be rude but I think this thread isn't the right place to discuss about guns and other related things. Alison started with a fun topic and it would be nice if it went along in that route. Perhaps we can continue discussing this in a new topic also in the Anything & Everything forum. Let's give respect to the original poster's topic of interest please.



OK, to keep on Topic...

Games I R a-playin': Half-Life 2, TRON 2.0 (over and over -- very good 'sequel'), and various old-school arcade games via an old copy of MAME (before everyone cracked-down on the arcade ROMs -- a nice diversions for a few minutes inbetween doing other things, kind of like solitaire or free-cell.)

Games I R a-wantin': Half-Life 3.  Oh, and the new QFG2 re-done by AGD Interactive!  Can't wait for Tom's soundtrack!!!


BUT to be fair, this thread evolved -- as some of the best ones do -- leading to other, hopefully more interesting, discussions.  After a day-and-a-half, post #14 by our own fearless leader himself lamented on a video game that glorifies violence for violence's sake.  From there, discussions of the possible connection between of people playing games and violent behavior, and then the concern of gun violence in general, evolved.

It's not like the post was immediately hijacked in the first response by someone wanting instead to talk about "the merits and detriments of genetically modified foods".  The post grew, as most good conversations do.

True, some people may have been put off or threatened at interrupting the straying conversation (much like people who don't want to jump into the middle of a conversation).  But here we are, 14 days later, and this thread still gets daily (or every other day) posts.  How many other current posts can say that?  Seems like more people wanted to talk about the aspect of violence/gun violence than the original post topic...

But if this conversation gets relocated into another post, it would suit me just fine...  I'm just happy to be here, and happy to have a HERE to be at!



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« Reply #68 on: March 31, 2005, 11:35:30 PM »

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If there is an amendment that seems a little odd 200 years hence, it's actually the 3rd Amendment: The goverment cannot house soldiers in private residences without the permission of the home-owner in times of peace or war.


Makes sense to me.  Do you want soldiers setting up camp in your house without your permission?  Soldiers aren't known for being great houseguests.


Agreed.  The best soldiers are trained to simply kill people and break stuff.  And they probably wouldn't put a coaster under their icey cool beverages whilst sitting them on the wooden end-table, causing horrendous watermarks in the laquer finish...

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense (I don't want anyone rooming with me against my will, either), but the reasoning from Alistair was that the 2nd Amendment was anachronistic and outdated after 200 years, soley dependent on the behavior of the British towards the colonists.

In my opinion, the army and other armed forces divisions have their own bases, barracks, ships, etc.  Highly unlikely that they'll ever need to stay here at stately OrtMertl Manor.


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« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2005, 02:14:13 AM »

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If gun-law discussions are bothering people like HondaSIR, I agree that the thread should be mutated off into its own separate thread.


I'm not bothered at all by the topic of guns, soldiers and violence. And I have nothing against a topic branching out and "evolving". However, I feel that if a new member who wants to post here his opinions regarding the original interest, he would have a hard time doing so because the current conversations do not adhere to the original topic anymore. The newcomers would just read the current posts, get sidetracked and post their opinions regarding the guns. If some branching out would occur, and I admit that it does most of the time, it should (I feel) still have something to do with the author's idea. In this case, guns and violence in a computer game is fine and debatable, but we have already gone beyond games and into reality. This is just fine but I think it would be better for us to transfer to another thread for this. Quite a few members have already started topics that have political tones and has nothing to do with this site's main interest.

When Tom shared his thoughts about guns, violence and mayhem earlier it actually had something to do with a computer game, which is very much in line with Alison's idea. Its fun to debate about many things. But everything has a price, and debates sometimes end up with arguments and scathing remarks. I fell this thread is going into that direction and its not supposed to.
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« Reply #70 on: April 01, 2005, 03:11:45 AM »

Well, this REALLY went off-topic.  Though, feel free to pick it up in a properly titled thread.
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