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1  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: My modest Creative Labs collection on: September 28, 2012, 04:15:49 AM
QSound somewhat worked in Windows as long as you left the QSound control panel running (minimized works fine) and tweaked its settings... the default settings just plain doesn't work... you had to really go crazy with the settings

but it only worked with the rev 5 or older Win9x drivers (non full duplex)... all of versions of the NT drivers seemed to work... not sure on 3.1, I never bothered trying as it sucked horribly in memory management and you definitely didn't want to play games from it!

it took many hours of experimenting for me to figure this out!
so no, this chip isn't completely useless if you know this bandaid fix Smiley



an ASP compatible games list would be very nice! Will give me some motivation to go try them out! Wink
2  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / My modest Creative Labs collection on: July 29, 2012, 09:58:39 PM
Here's my modest collection of Creative Labs cards that I collected over the years.... took these pics months ago but finally got around to mess with them.

Let's start with my rare, brand new CT1779 SB16 SCSI-2 that was made in 1995, with a newer mixer chip and a 4.13 DSP... card says "CT1770", but Creative Labs internally referred to it as the CT1779 for inventory/cataloging purposes because it did not come with the ASP/CSP chip Smiley The real CT1770s (which has the ASP/CSP) were out of production after 1994, so this one I have makes it one of the last ones they made, with slightly updated packaging, long after the AWE32 came out! It outlived the CT2230 (SB16 MCD) too!

The box:





Inside, you will see that it didn't come with the large hand held mic like the earlier CT1770/CT1779 retail versions did. It came with the same desktop Labtec mic the AWE32 did. The floppies came with probably the last versions of the drivers and utils that Creative made for this particular card. Many files are dated July 1995. It came with EZ-SCSI Lite 3.03 also.

As you can see, it came with the CT1745A-S mixer chip, which is what makes this particular card a rarity because the majority of these cards had the original, but noisier CT1745A chip. Some had the CT1745A-TBQ chip in mid 1994 builds, which are still more common than this one. This was marketed as a premium sound card by Creative, so it only made sense that they gave it the best chips possible without redesigning the card during its production run because sales volumes were very low compared to the others. The CT1748A ASP/CSP did not come with the card. I own the rare upgrade kit also, so I transplanted the chip from my messed up CT2239 (which was my first sound card) to it!

A close up of large chips. The DSP 4.13 chip is barely readable. Contrast enhanced for better legibility. Smiley Click for full sized image!

This card was made around the 31st week of 1995 as shown on the card. It has a very high numbered serial number too.

So how much I paid for it? $37 from ebay 12 years ago! Cheesy

Next is the rare "ASP" chip upgrade. I forgot how much I paid, but it was a hefty amount of money. What a lie Creative made regarding voice recognition in their SB16 manual. They said you needed the chip for that function. I bought an OEM brown boxed CT2239 which didn't come with VoiceAssist. It was one of those gimmicks that were very cool back in the 90s. Once I got this kit, I found out there was NO ****ing VoiceAssist in the box, only TextAssist and Mosaic (that had an additional QSound bitmap for the game), which I didn't really care about. I later found out that VoiceAssist just worked no matter what sound card you had and it didn't require this rip off chip. But, I was happy to find out that QSound made a difference in gaming back in the 90s, and later on with MP3s. It just made things sound a little better with those crappy computer speakers. Smiley But hey, it's nice to own a rare piece of PC history... but boy would I love to own the CMS upgrade kit! As for VoiceAssist, I eventually did manage to get it after someone gave me a copy of the retail SB16 disks that came with it.


There was no difference between the drivers that came on those 2 floppies than the single disk version found on the BBS/FTP. The 2nd disk just added TextAssist and Mosaic, all run by the same installer (not separate like you'd find in a SB16 package). Want to know what is inside that QSound manual? Download my "super" ISO. Nothing really cool to see, just telling you how to setup/configure the QSound using the utils.


Ahh... the useless HSC InterActive SE. It took many months of fighting and countless phone calls to Creative Labs to finally get them to mail it. Each time I called, I would tell them I'd like to register my CT2239 over the phone (remember I bought the OEM version, so no registration card to mail in). Each time they took down my information and said I should get the software within 2 weeks. Nope. I think it was about 8 months before I got this! I think it was somebody else who threatened to sue before they got their asses together to make more of these to ship out (as evidenced by the newer Creative style manual and floppy disk). I got my CT2239 for Christmas '93, I found out about the HSC InterActive SE "offer" in summer 1994 while roaming a store, was this big sticker stuck to a retail version of the CT2230. Then through my friends who also had SB16s, saw that the registration card said I could call in to register instead of mailing the card. Cool, I thought. Called and called and called, you know the story from there. Interestingly, they mailed another one of these to me a couple of months before. It was the older printing, which had the plain white cover for "HSC InterActive" with a very plain white label for the floppy. I gave that away to my friend who still has it. Any of you who have this, will know what I am talking about. Many of the HSC InterActives Creative gave away were these first pressings. So why did I want this useless crap to begin with? I wanted to find out what it was and I felt entitled to it since I paid more for a card they said it was something I was supposed to have!


Moving on... the infamous Wave Blaster II. A family friend got this for me. I'm really thankful still they did that because this thing was crazy expensive, and it turns out it wasn't that great (but still didn't realize until years later how much of a scam artist Creative Labs was... their marketing was that good!). I'm pretty sure this is a later packing release because it came with the 4 games and the crappy joystick. I think it was due to slow sales they did that. Well, that marketing trick sure worked! Man, I wish I got them to buy me the DB50XG (which costed the same) back then instead! Oh well, at least I got a used one I am using now. Wink





Yup, instead of Cakewalk, I got games. The white EULA envelope did make mention of Cakewalk on it!



Finally, the other cards...
From top, Goldfinch CT1920, SB16 Value PnP CT2950, SB16 MCD CT2239, and the SB16 SCSI-2 CT1779. The CT2239 is bad. In 1996, I blew the amp or maybe the related caps when I hooked up a phone line to audio adapter to it to try to make some operator message recordings. That adapter was a piece of ****! It didn't suppress the voltages enough, and the connection was mono, and the card's mic input was stereo, which caused a short! Look closely, and you will see a big brown ring around the ST TEA2025B chip. It turned an already noisy card to a water fall!

So it got replaced with my beloved CT3900. Got this from a BBS. Guy ran a computer store and I met him at a swap meet, where he was running a stand. He got suckered into an AWE64 Gold. I feel sorry for him, for "upgrading" once I found out how much worse the AWE64 was. I don't remember how much I paid. I think $50? It wasn't cheap to me back in those days because I was in high school and using only my allowance money! Doesn't matter because it was still a good deal that the card came with 8MB of SIMMs. The CT1910 WB2 that was on the CT2230 went over to the CT3900 and is still with it!


This one is one of the newer CT3900s which has the newer CT1745A-S mixer chip (that my CT1779 also has) that the AWE64 Gold later on also used in the early releases, a revised CT1748-SBP ASP/CSP chip, and a 4.13 DSP. I don't know what they changed with the ASP/CSP, but I can tell with my own ears that the CT1745A-S mixer made the card quieter! This was one of the last non-PnP cards Creative made. Thank god for the "disable" jumper setting for the IDE controller. The Panasonic interface couldn't be disabled, so it wasted some port addresses, but at least no IRQs! So no stupid ass CTCM **** setup issues. Just pure fun! Cheesy


Their own CD-ROM controller cards:
The large connector on the CT1810 was used for the very rare external Panasonic CD-ROM drive. I don't think they sold much of any of those kits, making it even more rare than the Sound Blaster Easy 16, which was an external multimedia kit. It was a SB16 card, with that big connector, with an external CR-563B. I saw it on ebay ages ago, but I think it was missing the card or was too expensive for me to care. I used that card for a while, solely to use the CD audio pass through out the jack and patching it into my CT2230 because it only had one CD audio input and I didn't know enough about electronics then to hack my own multi CD cable. Yes, I was using more than one CD-ROM drive.


Last but not least, my CT1320C SB 1.5... got it at the swap meet for $5 back in 1998 I think. The volume dial is a little warped. Card works, but noisy as typical of all early sound blasters. Smiley SAA1099P chips on the way....



Others not pictured... a CT4500 AWE64 Value that's in an old P200 MMX box sitting in the attic... a CT2239C that came with the MK4021 kit I just got from ebay last week, with a brand new CR-563B.... a dead CR-563B sits under my bed with the SNES games lol

Biggest regret: not paying the $85 for a boxed CT1900 Wave Blaster 1 on ebay about 10 years ago

So biggest wants now: boxed AWE64 Gold, CT1300, CT1350, CT1610, CT1900
3  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: Having fun with Sound Blaster's OPL-based MIDI on: July 28, 2012, 09:19:31 AM
wow, you managed to do more than I was ever able to (as in, NOTHING)... you need to give yourself more credit... as bad as you might think these tracks are, they're actually pretty good!
4  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: AWE32 problem DOS on: May 14, 2012, 09:20:19 AM
keep in mind that running just the base installer does NOT install the latest drivers... you will need to install the updates and any other extra utils you want manually
read carefully the readme and index files... everything you need to know is there
5  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: AWE32 problem DOS on: May 14, 2012, 01:02:16 AM
my CD includes DOS drivers... there's so many things, you just have to look
the most easily accessed full DOS install is the SB16 and AWE64 one on that CD

if you didn't use my CD, then it's hard to help you because there's so many release versions of the original install disks out there... I included only the best/latest, archiving the rest into floppy image files
6  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: AWE32 problem DOS on: May 13, 2012, 02:01:51 AM
which card do you have? I never had any problems with the drivers with my CT3900
if you used my CD, install the AWE32 software through the autorun menu (works in Win9x or NT4)... for the Win9x installer, it should install only the SB16 drivers, then you will have to install the AWE32 drivers and apps afterwards
7  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: AWE32 problem DOS on: May 02, 2012, 02:10:59 AM
files on vogons drivers are NOT hosted on any file sharing sites
it's an independent server
8  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: AWE32 problem DOS on: April 29, 2012, 09:09:35 PM
download my 735MB drivers CD from the vogons drivers website... it has EVERYTHING in it you need... the latest and last versions of everything. It will save you time from hunting them down. It has taken me many hours to put that together. Those drivers and utils should get you going!
9  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: Found in recycle bin: SoundBlaster 16 SCSI-2 complete retail box! on: August 03, 2011, 06:31:16 AM
got pics of the plunder? Cheesy

I own a BNIB SB16 SCSI myself... it is the 1995 package version, the last ones before creative took them off the market... so it does have newer software than what is typically found from this card Smiley

got it for 35 bucks from ebay like 11 years ago
10  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: Old SB sound card drivers on: March 01, 2011, 01:22:13 AM
I'm looking for the SB16 MCD install disks... somebody must have this.... I got everything but that now!
If it actually had a separate CDROM driver install disk, then I want especially that, since the MCD had the sony/panasonic/mitsumi interfaces Smiley

my ISO is practically ready for release... but if I can make that one last addition, that will be great!
11  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: Old SB sound card drivers on: February 18, 2011, 06:10:08 AM
Welcome malik! Search for aleksej's post in one of the threads I started... he has a server that has more SB ISOs... that is where I got some of the stuff for my previous "revision 3" collection ISO
12  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: SAA1099 (CMS) Chips on a Sound Blaster 2.0 on: February 16, 2011, 09:41:06 PM
right, and that's what I put in to search on ebay a few days ago... there were only 2 auctions that showed up, and neither was at the great price you mentioned

can you please post a link of your auction?
13  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: SAA1099 (CMS) Chips on a Sound Blaster 2.0 on: February 16, 2011, 09:23:06 PM
link? the ones I saw a couple of days ago was twice that! maybe I just suck at searching
for 10 bucks, I'll get it!
14  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: Couple of questions on the SB CT2760 Revision 3 Board on: February 16, 2011, 08:51:00 PM
do you have the util? I think this is it: http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/misc/creative/creative/drivers/sb16awe/2760r3cd.exe
15  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: Old SB sound card drivers on: February 16, 2011, 07:14:04 PM
Looks like I have the same AWE64 Gold ISO as the disc you have, so no need to do anything Smiley

Thanks for the images, I noticed the generic "16-bit audio card" disks were missing. Can you please make images of those too? I have the AWE32 versions, but I'm pretty sure yours are the SB16 ones. Smiley
16  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: Old SB sound card drivers on: February 16, 2011, 07:50:41 AM
I'll take all of the floppy images you got except for the basic install disk, and the "creative audio software" disk if you don't mind Smiley

Can you list the contents of the root directory of the AWE64 CD?
Do you also have any other discs that came with the AWE64?

Thanks!

P.S. I found CT1730 install disks here: http://ftp://ftp.onsitenj.com/drivers/sound/creative/sb16pro/sb16pro.zip
It is a 3 disk set (there is no 4th disk). I never thought I'd see these again! Smiley
17  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: SAA1099 (CMS) Chips on a Sound Blaster 2.0 on: February 16, 2011, 07:37:31 AM
I do have an SB 1.5... got lucky with that at a swap meet nearly 10 years ago
I still need to get around to buying those expensive chips
18  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: SAA1099 (CMS) Chips on a Sound Blaster 2.0 on: February 16, 2011, 03:20:57 AM
I find the OPL emulation in dosbox a little off... it is emulation after all... it doesn't sound exactly like a real YMF262 Smiley But regardless, it is pretty good though.

And yeah, I realize that DOSbox has the CMS emulation, but what if we want to run this on a machine? Wink
19  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: SAA1099 (CMS) Chips on a Sound Blaster 2.0 on: February 15, 2011, 06:43:48 PM
I think there's an SB1.5 on ebay right now
20  MUSIC & SOUND CARDS / Sound Blaster / Re: SAA1099 (CMS) Chips on a Sound Blaster 2.0 on: February 15, 2011, 08:54:07 AM
Wondering the same thing also about the PDFs...
guess what my friend just found too: http://little-scale.blogspot.com/2010/03/phillips-saa-1099-royalty-free-sample.html

That's right, now you can have software SAA1099 Cheesy
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