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Alistair
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« on: February 15, 2005, 12:16:15 AM »

Hey folks,

Just wondering; how do people feel about the sequel Eco Quest II? I really enjoyed it, even as much as the first game, probably more. The soundtrack's not as good but I still think it's an amazing score- I will have to do at least a MIDI soundtrack of this game. What do you folks think?

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- Alistair

P.S. What device was THIS game composed for? Tom's EQ2 page seems to indicate the Roland MT-32, but I'm almost positive it was composed for the SC-55..
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2005, 12:55:14 AM »

I'm sure it was composed for General MIDI, too, but MT-32 support was pretty good, too.  I worked on the soundtrack before I had a Sound Canvas, though, and haven't done much with it since having a Sound Canvas.
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2005, 02:12:06 AM »

I'm definitely interested in hearing the complete score, Alistair. I haven't played through the game yet and I would like to hear its entire soundtrack. If the MT-32 version has some custom sounds not found in the SC-55 version, then my preference is the MT-32. Otherwise, SC-55 is fine.
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2005, 02:55:31 AM »

I was really disappointed in EQ2's soundtrack when I first heard it.  There are some nice songs in EQ2, but in general, I didn't find it anywhere near as nice as EQ1's.  But I've yet to hear the complete soundtrack...
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2005, 11:43:44 AM »

Taking a break from soundtrack CD's, of which I have 2 'virtually complete' ones which need minor alterations I haven't the patience to deal with at the moment, I played Eco Quest II with my brother. Started it with the Roland MT-32 first time we played it, never got that far. Stopped at the copy protection.

This time I played with the Roland Sound Canvas, assuming it would be that score, which it is. As Tom said about Laura Bow II, the SC-55 is much more natural, which is pretty important for pan flutes, shakuhachis and blown bottles etc.

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I'm sure it was composed for General MIDI, too, but MT-32 support was pretty good, too. I worked on the soundtrack before I had a Sound Canvas, though, and haven't done much with it since having a Sound Canvas.

Ah.. I'd love to hear your 'Sierra Soundtracks Volume' version of the 'Tree Hollow'. Smiley

Dan Kehler being the composer, I think it would be fair to say he always put a reasonable amount of effort into his MT-32 versions of SC-55 soundtracks (although not every SC track can be balanced for the MT-32, as LSL6's music shows, with real highs and lows for the MT score).

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I'm definitely interested in hearing the complete score, Alistair. I haven't played through the game yet and I would like to hear its entire soundtrack. If the MT-32 version has some custom sounds not found in the SC-55 version, then my preference is the MT-32. Otherwise, SC-55 is fine.

I really like the game's music. I feel there's a LOT of good stuff.

The MT-32 "General MIDI patch bank" has custom sounds, but they're really just GM sounds on the MT-32, mainly MT-32 default patches, with new (crappy, IMO) sounds like 'Muted Gt.' being thrown in because the MT-32 doesn't have one.

Tracks like 'Mohawk Bat' would sound bad on the MT, I would imagine, though I've never heard that on a MT-32 admittedly (and there's no other rock pieces in EQ2). I recorded the full GM score today, will do the MT score on the weekend- I want to do a CD of this game's music before I go back to Uni (a lot of instrument choices I'd take from the MT-32 in digital mixes).

Trust me, for MIDI listening, the GM score would be nicer. Might lack a few SFX though.

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was really disappointed in EQ2's soundtrack when I first heard it. There are some nice songs in EQ2, but in general, I didn't find it anywhere near as nice as EQ1's. But I've yet to hear the complete soundtrack...

Eco Quest 1 was a better soundtrack. But it's one of the all-time best Sierra scores! For what it's worth, I really enjoyed EQ2's score. Not rocky like EQ1's, much more melodic and beautiful. And there's MUCH more beautiful pieces than in EQ1, which is what I felt that soundtrack lacked.

I think for me, too, Eco Quest 2 was a much better game than its' predecessor. So the music means a lot more to me. Which is one of the reasons I generally prefer Sierra's SC-55 scores, the games are usually better- King's Quest 6 is the best example of that (good SC score, awesome game).

I'll try and edit the complete SC-55 score tomorrow, if it's possible to do it in a day. Otherwise in the next few days. I want to record some assorted digital pieces as well.

My favourite piece from the game is on this site, 'The Black Jaguar'. Awesome piece. Lots of good stuff on Tom's MIDI page actually.

Regards,
- Alistair
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2005, 12:52:37 PM »

Finished editing the individual MIDI files, approximately 75 minutes. Now just have to compile it. Should be done soon!

- Alistair
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2005, 03:07:25 PM »

by the way

Has anyone got Eco Quest II beta version with speach (i heard only first few levels were voiced)?
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2005, 04:41:33 PM »

I have never heard of a "talkie" version of ECO QUEST II. Only ECO I has speech, but only in the CD version. Am I right?Huh
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2005, 11:56:12 PM »

Eco Quest 2 has voices, just not many of them. Smiley

My guess, and from what I've been told, is that Sierra couldn't afford, or couldn't justify the money, being spent on full voices for the game. Similar to SQ5 in that respect, except the weird thing is that EQ2 does have a few voice lines here and there.

Don't know what you mean about a 'beta' version, or 'levels', Robert..

- Alistair
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2005, 05:08:55 AM »

It's hard enough just to find a copy of this game on eBay. If there was a beta version floating around I've never seen or heard of it.
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2005, 05:40:14 AM »

Quote from: Alistair
Eco Quest 2 has voices, just not many of them. Smiley


That's right two or three sentences in the intro and some more in the game.
But no Talkie/CD version as we have with ECO1. But why?

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My guess, and from what I've been told, is that Sierra couldn't afford, or couldn't justify the money, being spent on full voices for the game.


There are also other games from other companies that have only a few voice lines like "The lost files of Sherlock Holmes 1" by EA. Only in the intro and another animation sequence there are voices. But that reminds me of the old times when I was just overwheled by the speech that came out of my speaker when I played my first game with speech support. That was also the reason I bought a really cheap sound card in those days.
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2005, 09:28:25 AM »

I really doubt a beta exists..

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That's right two or three sentences in the intro and some more in the game.
But no Talkie/CD version as we have with ECO1. But why?

As I said, Sierra didn't feel it was appropriate- maybe sales were down, or profits tight, or they felt the sequels like SQ5 and EQ2 wouldn't make money with voice-acting.. who knows. Ask at SierraGamers.


For those who care, the soundtrack MIDI is completed and should be released on QuestStudios quite soon!

Regards,
- Alistair
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2005, 09:56:10 AM »

w00t!
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2005, 12:04:39 PM »

On a similar but different note; I recorded the full Eco Quest 2 MIDI soundtrack for the MT-32 (NOT for a MIDI soundtrack file, but for a CD). Some of Tom's comments now begin to make sense, that didn't previously..

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I was really disappointed in EQ2's soundtrack when I first heard it. There are some nice songs in EQ2, but in general, I didn't find it anywhere near as nice as EQ1's. But I've yet to hear the complete soundtrack...

Well, Tom heard the MT-32 version. Eco Quest 2, I can confirm, sounds AWFUL on the MT-32, generally speaking! Almost every SC-55 piece sounds nice- and in terms of listening to every bit, not just a drumkit for enhancement purposes, only 2 or 3 MT-32 tracks were nice to listen to. Really, awful efforts. More on that in a sec..

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I'm sure it was composed for General MIDI, too, but MT-32 support was pretty good, too.

Definitely not good MT-32 support! In fact, there's almost no MT-32 support, if by 'support' you mean the SC-55 score edited to playback right on a MT-32. Didn't happen, sadly. *I* was dissapointed listening to the score on my MT! Some nice individual instruments, by pure accident, that sound good on the MT though, so I'll use bits here and there for the CD, if I ever do it.
Weird thing about the MT-32 support is, the sound effects are all correct! Not dodgy GM sound effects, like a French Horn for an airplane effect, 'CarEngine' is used. And 'Wind' is used instead of 'Seashore' for real wind, 'StoneDr' for moving a stone piece, not 'Reverse Cym', etc etc. Some very nice MT-32 sound effects, reasonable effort was put in! (Must've been an old faithful from Sierra, I doubt Kehler did it himself.)
Wish the SFX sucked (straight converted from GM) and Kehler had put some effort into the MT score, though. Most instruments play wrongly, some on the wrong octave.. ick.

If you have a MT-32 and a SC-55, play the MIDI with a SC.. that's the bottom line. I originally started EQ2 ages ago with the MT-32, but beyond the title theme, there's not much good MT music to be sentimental about.

Regards,
- Alistair
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