No. One is a game. The other is its sequel. They have their own jewel cases with different artwork and everything. One is "The Incredible Machine: Contraptions" the other is "Even More Contraptions". It's like they dropped the "The Incredible Machine" name. I'm not sure if they each have different soundtracks though, but I KNOW that both games have at least some of the same songs. Been a while since I've tried them. Maybe I'll break them out tonight after work.
I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. I think they're exactly the same game, it just got 2 releases.
One is "Return of the Incredible Machine: Contraptions" and the other is "The Incredible Machine: Even More Contraptions".
The games are identical, from everything I've heard.
Funny to see the interest in Incredible Machine -- I, too, have recently had a re-interest in the series.
Hey, Gary- good to see you around. It's been a while.
It's not really a 'reinterest' with me, more just nice to find time to do it, now that I feel competent enough to work with it. I've been planning a multi-TIM-CD for years now.
After looking for almost a year, I was FINALLY able to get a diskette copy of the original TIM from someone selling a group of vintage Sierra/Dynamix diskettes off of eBay. It saved me a 750+ mile trip back home for a lousy 1.44 HD diskette (not to mention hours digging through a very disorganized basement for my boxes of original computer diskettes).
I found some US guy selling both TIM1 and Sid and Al's Incredible Toons disk versions early last year(also Island of Dr. Brain). Got them all for cheap, even though they were missing a few things. From Wisconsin actually
Also finally got the 3DO TIM1 remake.
Several months ago, I wondered what the difference between TIM and "Even More" on this message board. I can say now, with somewhat authority, it appears "Even More" is simply an enhancement over TIM: a few more parts, maybe a few more music tracks, more puzzles (though I haven't complied a total list of puzzles to cross-reference yet -- so far, most of the tutorial puzzles seem to overlap).
Dude, check MobyGames
I've known that for a while. Even More is really almost identical to TIM1, and really, every TIM game other than spinoffs like Toons is identical in puzzles, just enhanced graphics and sound (except TIM1/2 have different music).
Wasn't aware TIM was on CD, aside from the 3DO version...
I thought there might've been a remake of the first game for PC. Maybe it was only TIM:EM that got remade.
After having it for 6+ years, I finally played "Return of The Incredible Machine: Contraptions" for the first time yesterday morning. It appears to be almost the same as TIM 3.0, only with prettier graphics and digital music.
Same as TIM2->TIM3 then
(And, TIM3 also has digital music.)
GAP found the digital tracks in the "music.tbv" file (~120 Mb total, 177 kbps quality except for three tracks: "New Age" , "Steel Drum" and "Pictures" are at 705 kbps) from the CD.
Shoddy quality. Shame they filled the CD with crap like Hoyle card game demos and not high quality music like TIM:EM and TIM3. There is a lot of music in TIM:EMC (Contraptions) though.
The games also has the option of playing MIDI files instead of digital files. The MIDI Main Title is the original TIM theme, while the digital Main Title is a new, different theme.
Same as TIM3. Contraptions reused a lot of TIM3 music (all of it I think) and added a few new tracks in too, quite a few.
The MIDI title is the TIM2 MIDI title, not technically the original.
Can upload the digital files to you, if interested, but since you have GAP, it's probably not necessary...
Nah, I extracted them yesterday. Thanks anyway though man
Haven't played Incredible Toons yet, but it is on my 486, along with TIM 2. Also, to complete the collection, just bought a copy of "Even More Contraptions" off Ebay on Friday...
There's a CD remake of this too, and I'm listening to the tracks now. It's awesome!
Regards,
- Alistair
