DB50xg for sale on Ebay for $54 shipped Buy it Now, ends July 3rd 2007

[Mike 01Hawk]

Is this guy taking over for wing-ming or whatever that guy's name was?

Looks like this is the 3rd so far he's sold.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200123436962

[Ari]

I've been seeing this item on auction for months on and off.
I don't think this is a real DB50XG, seeing how it doesn't have any XG logos on the chips or the words Yamaha DB50XG which should appear on the card somewhere.

It might be some kind of clone.

[Tom]

Egads, that sure doesn't look like a Yamaha card.  At least, the two I have are clearly marked as such, with "Yamaha" and the model.  Gotta be a clone...or something else altogether.

[Cloudschatze]

This particular variant was manufactured by Yamaha for NEC.

I think we covered this a few years back.

[Mike 01Hawk]

Oh yeah, I sorta vaguely remember that, doesn't that mean then it won't work on IBM PC Clones?

[Cloudschatze]

Oh yeah, I sorta vaguely remember that, doesn't that mean then it won't work on IBM PC Clones?

No, it will work the same as any other Waveblaster-connected daughterboard. It's worth mentioning that the auction item is actually a DB60XG, and not a DB50XG.

[mace]

EDIT:  What he said.... ^^^ 


I went ahead and bought that, before I found this topic. 
I wouldn't have if I had read this beforehand, but oh well...

It seems that it is actually a DB60XG, and not a 50, after some research.
The exact difference between those two is not clear to me at this time, but it seems that the 60 has more available commands,
according to this page.

Oh yeah, I sorta vaguely remember that, doesn't that mean then it won't work on IBM PC Clones?

Nah, standard waveblaster stuff...

MIDI in, +5volt, +12v, -12v, analog ground, digital ground and L+R out.

Really nothing fancy or propertiary, so it should work just fine.

[Mike 01Hawk]

Grats on the purchase.

Although if it's not really really want you want, I'd contact the seller to either A) Confirm it's a DB50xg (which of course now we know it isn't) which would lead to B) Refund your purchase.

It should only cost the seller his listing fee of bout a $1.64 or so.

If you wanted to be a real pain, you could let the item ship, and then complain that the item is not described as in the auction. From stories I've read in the past, Paypal will side with you.  But that sounds like a lot of hassle. And plus you'd probably have to ship it back to him which of course will cost ya.

[mace]

Oh yeah, I sorta vaguely remember that, doesn't that mean then it won't work on IBM PC Clones?

No, it will work the same as any other Waveblaster-connected daughterboard. It's worth mentioning that the auction item is actually a DB60XG, and not a DB50XG.

Can you please explain the difference?

[Mike 01Hawk]

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_XG which I'm sure someone on here had input on

"Available only in Japan also is a DB60XG, effectively a DB50XG with an analog input[1]"

Which then the [1] links to: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may98/articles/audiotrix.html

[Great Hierophant]

I don't recall where I read it at the moment, but the DB60XG loses the QG300 mode of the DB50XG.  No customizing patches for you.  Waveblaster connectors do not support audio input unless the card was made to attach to a non-standard waveblaster connector.  The audio mixing feature is useless on this card for this reason.

[mace]

I don't recall where I read it at the moment, but the DB60XG loses the QG300 mode of the DB50XG.  No customizing patches for you.  Waveblaster connectors do not support audio input unless the card was made to attach to a non-standard waveblaster connector.  The audio mixing feature is useless on this card for this reason.

I wasn't planning on using the audio mixing feature, but no QG300 mode, I don't like that...
If the item is not actually capable of doing that mode it is not actuallt a DB50XG (which we have established)
ad as such I'm probably returning it.

What about TG300B mode?

[mace]

As we can read here it is a very nice card indeed!

It's like the SW60XG without the mixing capabilities.

The 3D/XG gets its XG support by adding a Yamaha DB60XG daughtercard to
the AudioTrix 3D sound board.  Yes, that's correct, I said DB60XG.  Not
to be confused with the DB50XG daughtercard, or the SW60XG standalone
MIDI-only soundcard.  I've already been through the ropes with the tech
support and programming folks to clarify this.  The DB60XG is basically
a DB50XG with the SW60XG's additional capabilities to add
(individually-programmable) effects processing to each mixer source
(wave, line-in, mic, cd, as well as midi).  The SW60XG's AD Mixer
section is removed from the DB60XG, and instead connected (through the
waveblaster connector) to the 3D's mixer. That makes sense if you really
think about it, there is no need to have the SW60XG's AD mixer on the
daughtercard since all soundboards I know of already have a mixer. <g>

The word from Gary Gregson, author of XGEdit, is that his recommendation
is to set XGEdit to use an "SW60XG" as the XG Module.  This will allow
us to program the effects on the various sources (you can only program
MIDI effects on the DB50XG).  He is not sure, however, that the SW60XG
A/D MIXER functions of XGEdit would work properly, however, since the
3D/XG does something a little different.  Also, he'd never heard of a
DB60XG daughtercard either until I asked him about it and he checked
with his Yamaha contact.  The DB60XG is only sold (normally) in Japan,
and apparently only to Mediatrix outside of Japan for the 3D, and
getting hardcore specs on them hasn't been easy.  (Anybody have anything
on them?)  Gary has been in contact with Mediatrix and has expressed
willingness to write a custom "module" to fully support the 3D/XG (if
it's even necessary to support all of its features).

Don't let this scare you off, though.  XG is a solid standard, and is
also backwards-compatible with General MIDI, and Roland GS/TG300.
That's *ANY* XG tone module, and at the SysX level!  At bare minimum, we
will have all the capabilities of the DB50XG, plus the programmable
effects capabilities of the SW60XG.

As far as digital audio, their spec sheet says it uses the Sigma-Delta
codec, which they say is 100% AD1848 and CS4231 compatible (one of the
people I talked to at Mediatrix told me the codec is 100% register-level
compat with the CS4231).  16-bit hardware full duplex, and the
signal-to-noise ratio is listed as ">80dB".

Not too shabby.

Edit: found some more information:
google translation and google translation

It has relevant information, translated by google.

(Notice the link on the bottom: "It returns to the menu". Instantly reminded me of "Silence of the Lambs": "It rubs the lotion on the skin" hahaha.)