Roland FG-10, "Music Timer"

[Ari]

Since the GS-board is the only thing connected to the DAC, the vocal samples (and possibly some of the chime samples?) have likely replaced the MT/CM tones, and are hidden somewhere in an undocumented variation bank. Finding them ought to be loads of fun...

Well, it's just a matter of going through some 127 banks. If it doesn't default to capital tones (and even if it does), it should take a couple of minutes at most.

[Cloudschatze]

Since the GS-board is the only thing connected to the DAC, the vocal samples (and possibly some of the chime samples?) have likely replaced the MT/CM tones, and are hidden somewhere in an undocumented variation bank. Finding them ought to be loads of fun...

Well, it's just a matter of going through some 127 banks. If it doesn't default to capital tones (and even if it does), it should take a couple of minutes at most.

127 variation banks * 128 instruments = 16256 possible locations for the extra tones/samples (minus those of the known GS variations). I don't know about you, but this will probably take me more than a few minutes to check...

I'm going to look for extra drumkits first. There are significantly fewer possibilities there, and a greater likelihood (I think) that the extra tones might be found in one.

[Ari]

I find it hard to believe they'd only use part of a bank, but then again, maybe you're right it is Roland after all... 

[Cloudschatze]

I find it hard to believe they'd only use part of a bank, but then again, maybe you're right it is Roland after all... 

Take a look at any SC/GS manual. XG is the same way. A variation instrument is supposed to relate to the capital tone in some manner (up to a certain point), and for this reason, some instruments have more variations than others, resulting in incomplete banks.

I'm not actually going to check everything, mind you. I'll probably find everything in the variation instruments for bells and SFX, or a drumkit somewhere.

Oh, the pointless fun! 

[Cloudschatze]

Hmm. So, the vocal samples are in a drumkit at PC112. Apparently it, and the Standard kit, are the only two available in the FG-10. What a pity...

[Rhizome]

Hmm. So, the vocal samples are in a drumkit at PC112. Apparently it, and the Standard kit, are the only two available in the FG-10. What a pity...

I gather they removed the others so they had enough room for the vocals 

Wait a tick, I thought Roland said it was a GS device? It isn't really if it lacks the GS percussion banks, right?

[Ari]

Take a look at any SC/GS manual. XG is the same way. A variation instrument is supposed to relate to the capital tone in some manner (up to a certain point), and for this reason, some instruments have more variations than others, resulting in incomplete banks.

I'm not actually going to check everything, mind you. I'll probably find everything in the variation instruments for bells and SFX, or a drumkit somewhere.

Oh, the pointless fun! 

Well, I guess I misunderstood you. I got the impression you were looking for the MT-32 or CM-32P banks, not just any variation tones.

[shad0wfax]

That Roland FG-10 is really weird, albeit cool also, in its unique way...   

Eric, have you ever thought about creating a thread about the weirdest/silliest Roland devices ever??? I think it could be great! 

[Cloudschatze]

Wait a tick, I thought Roland said it was a GS device? It isn't really if it lacks the GS percussion banks, right?

I'm of the impression that when the GS Standard/Format was created, only the Capital instruments and Standard drumkit were required, since fallback to Capital/Sub-capital instruments was possible.

This may have changed later on, resulting from the loss of that ability, but at the time of its release, there probably wasn't any question as to whether the FG-10 could be considered "fully GS" or not.

Besides, it has the GSS2 chip, so, taken loosely, it's a "GS device" by default.

Eric, have you ever thought about creating a thread about the weirdest/silliest Roland devices ever??? I think it could be great! 

I haven't stumbled across anything that I would consider truly weird. On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of things that I didn't know existed. You have to hand it to Roland - they've made some pretty cool stuff.

[Salient]

Quite some time since the last post was made in this topic but I find it interesting because a shop near where I live (in the Netherlands) sells a used FG10 for 49 euros (that is about 75 US dollars).
Would it do any good (does it have a midi connector at all?) for games?
I know I already have an SC88 but it would just be fun to have one of those for the collection.

[Cloudschatze]

Quite some time since the last post was made in this topic but I find it interesting because a shop near where I live (in the Netherlands) sells a used FG10 for 49 euros (that is about 75 US dollars).
Would it do any good (does it have a midi connector at all?) for games?
I know I already have an SC88 but it would just be fun to have one of those for the collection.

This one?
http://www.peterverspuy.nl/cgi-bin/x/O06024.html

It's no better than the SC-88 for gaming; worse, actually. It's still a neat device, for its intended use, but not something I'd add to a "collection," just to say I had one.

Also, since the one being offered is the English version, the "Radio Exercises" are not accessible. (This is the reason for wanting one. Right? )

[Salient]

Unfortunately I didn't have a chance to listen to the examples in the start of this topic since they're not there anymore.
Do you have them still and could you put them somewhere so I can know what it sounds like?