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« on: September 14, 2010, 04:22:04 PM » |
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Hi, I intend to buy an MT-32, and hook it to my Windows7 machine. I understand that I'll need a MIDI-2-USB cable, but also that no 2 cables are alike. I wish to buy a cable online from DealExtreme.com, and they carry a few models: http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.midiDo you have recommendations? How can I make sure the one I pick will be compatible with my setup? Thanks in advance, Omer Mor. |
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2010, 06:21:58 PM » |
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http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11277This is exactly the cable I have recently bought too, and it works perfectly. In fact, it works better than the MidiMan 2x2 I had before. That one reminded me of the sound blaster 16 with DSP > 4.05 (Hanging notes).
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2010, 09:57:55 PM » |
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I used for some time a CakeWalk UM-1G ( http://www.roland.com/products/en/UM-1G/) cable, and it worked great with Win7 (but it's not really on the cheap side) Today I use an Edirol UA-4FX ( http://www.roland.com/products/en/UA-4FX/) which is an all in one Midi Interface + Audio interface + Recording interface (and it has all connectors you need for connecting the MT-32, aka midi out and line in). But I think it's kinda an overkill if you don't need an audio/recording interface. |
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2010, 10:53:00 PM » |
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Long time no post!
I've been out of the MIDI scene for a few years now, but the nostalgia bug has bitten me once again. I have a Guitar Hero USB-MIDI cable; would it work with my MT-32 and my Windows 7 Ultimate x64 rig?
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2010, 11:39:07 PM » |
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Long time no post!
I have a Guitar Hero USB-MIDI cable; would it work with my MT-32 and my Windows 7 Ultimate x64 rig?
Well give it a go and let us know! |
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 09:13:29 AM » |
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Long time no post!
I have a Guitar Hero USB-MIDI cable; would it work with my MT-32 and my Windows 7 Ultimate x64 rig?
Well give it a go and let us know! Lol nice seeing you here. I'll be back in the States next month and I can pick up all my old gear then to try it out. |
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2012, 06:31:21 AM » |
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Sorry to bring up an old topic like this.. but it seems I have a problem with a midi cable I bought that Mau1wurf1977 mentioned he got from eBay. Mine looks exactly like that but after fiddling around with my Windows 7 64bit - I get music from my MT32, but it doesnt send the custom sysex banks in the beginning of the game. I've been reading things online now for the last few hours where people are complaining about the same thing. Some have said not every midi cable is the same midi cable. Can someone explain to me if I might have a bogus cable on my hands or if I'm doing something wrong? The MT32 unit is fine - I can use it without problems on my 486. |
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2012, 09:02:17 AM » |
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I had such an issue with a USB midi cable like that. There was no way I could fix the problem.
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2012, 06:04:17 PM » |
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Try a lower DOSBox's CPU speed value. At least during that critical part (you can always throttle it back later). I read a long time ago it helps with this problem. Mind you this is old advice based on older versions of DOSBox but it never hurts to try.
This doesn't mean DOSBox is to blame. I remember some games being stubborn even I was using Windows XP. From my experience it depends from game to game.
I also found the 32-bit version of Windows 7 to handle midi cables better (subjective opinion for now --- haven't tested it enough across versions). That's what I use and haven't had problem with it. However, unlike Windows XP, I can only use one MIDI cable at a time. Windows 7 appears to have a hard time enumerating multiple MIDI cables (regardless if it is 32 or 64 bit).
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DrJ
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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2012, 06:07:06 PM » |
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I'm open to try a different USB to Midi cable, I just want to make certain it will work before I spend around $30 for one (suggestions?).
Would a virtual machine with Windows XP handle this better you think? Never thought this would be such a hassle.
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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2012, 06:14:36 PM » |
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The USB midi cable I had sysex issues with was a Chinese "brandless" one. The Swissonic 1x1 cable works for me in Win7 x64, but only with the Roland UM1G driver. Otherwise it's not even detected in Vista/7.
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2012, 06:16:39 PM » |
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Would a virtual machine with Windows XP handle this better you think? I don't know. At least the ones I've used have their quirks. IIRC MS Virtual PC doesn't support USB. Oracle's VM Virtual Box supports it, but if you are not careful you might end up erasing any USB flash drives attached to your system. It's still worth trying. Try not to hot swap/disconnect anything USB while the virtual system is running). I *think* I read here (again some time ago) someone who reported using M-Audio's USB cable. |
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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2012, 06:21:15 PM » |
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Might become worthwhile to create a thread with Midi 2 USB cables that are known to work. The USB midi cable I had sysex issues with was a Chinese "brandless" one. I believe that's the one I have. Just says USB to Midi and made in China on the box. It's sending a short pulse to the MT32 but that's it. I've read on Vogon's forum that some people had luck with that same cable.. I'm confused what's wrong with this one. I'll try the CPU speed settings but I'm using the latest DosBox version. Even tried the altered SVN version. No luck as of yet.. |
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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2012, 06:23:49 PM » |
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I had one that didn't work properly and one that worked just fine. Both looked similar, if not the same.
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« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2012, 06:34:13 PM » |
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I bought this one. There are tons of those on Ebay. I'm afraid to try again if it's a luck of the draw. They arent expensive, but if it will take 5 tries to get a good one, I might as well invest in a more expensive one that I know will work guaranteed. |
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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2012, 06:38:31 PM » |
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I'm afraid I can't help you here. I had one with a black cable didn't work properly and one with a silver/transparent cable that did.
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« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2012, 06:42:42 PM » |
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@Dr.J: I don't think it's the cables, but the OS itself. Under Windows XP generic MIDI cables work fine for me. Can even hook many of them simultaneously. In my opinion it's the newer OSes lack of proper MIDI support that are [sometimes] creating problems.
EDIT: I think that eventually we will start to see a brand or model that was designed for newer systems in mind. For now all you can do now is look for workarounds. Do the usual computer troubleshooting. Try testing it on another computer, maybe one with Windows XP or a 32 bit Windows 7 version... and yes with different cable.
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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2012, 06:48:10 PM » |
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One Chinese "brandless" cable I had didn't send any sysex in Windows XP x86 either. I messed around hours and hours, but no luck.
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2012, 06:36:54 PM » |
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FYI@Dr.J: Out of curiosity I installed Windows 7 (32bit) "Windows XP Mode" app. I was able to send a sysex with SendSX and play a MIDI with Windows Media Player. No sysex was embedded with the MIDI file. When I tried to play a MIDI with sysex inside MT-32 would get checksum errors. Apparently the transmission delay delay needs to be adjusted.
This is my first time using this VM program. Not sure how to explain this, but there is an option to run a program in XP mode without showing the Luna desktop. The application appears simply as another window in your normal (Aero) desktop instead. Of course you can run the whole schmola if you like. If you have the means check it out (along with Oracle's Virtual Box).
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