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« on: April 29, 2011, 04:36:45 PM »

Topic says it all.  Finally got my hands on it, and I must confess - it's much better than I was anticipating.  I'll post a sort of review later after I come down from the excitement of having a new toy.  But so far, I'm very impressed.  Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2011, 08:16:34 PM »

Alright, here are my initial impressions of the unit.  First, as compared to my XV - it holds up quite well.  I was anticipating a huge step back in sound quality and timbre quality, and instead was greeted to a remarkably similar sound signature.  The size of the sample ROM is a mystery to me, but I believe that it's either the same (I remember Alistair saying 64mb (bits or bytes?)) or very close in size to the XV.  But, assuming it is the same size, that's still 64MB spread out over 1600 patches; whereas the XV-2020 has 64MB dedicated to 768 patches.  But so far, the SC-8850 sounds very good, and I actually would recommend it for composers for a few reasons:

1.  The sound palette is still very good, despite its age.  Strong points are good flutes, string pads, brass, horns, and percussive instruments (pianos and other keyboards).  All of the standard pop fare is represented very well with this guy.  Drum kits are pretty good, and I LOVE the fact that the unit has all of the classic Roland kits available in one box.  I was playing around with some techno stuff, and the drums sound great.  With the XV-2020, I'd have to expand it to get the variety of drum kits that this thing has.  Sound quality is really good too - it even holds up to some of the electronic SRX boards.

As for a direct comparison with my XV-2020 (purely stock), I'd say that the SC-8850 suits my tastes better than the XV.  The XV is very pop/funk/fusion oriented with a smattering of some orchestral stuff and some excellent synth instruments.  It's more "modern" in style than the 8850.  But the problem with the XV is that while it's FANTASTIC in some areas (synth stuff, strings, orchestra stuff), it SUCKS in other areas.  Flutes, for example, are not at all realistic compared to the SC-8850.  Pianos are also better on the SC-8850, because their sample cross-over points aren't as noticeable as the XV-2020.  However - the XV-2020 has better fidelity.  Sounds have more impact and sparkle, where as the Sound Canvas seems recessed somewhat.

2.  This thing is a WORKHORSE!  128 voice polyphony coupled with a 64 MIDI channel capability means this thing is ready to cook - with nitrous.  And the best thing is that the most complicated patch will only consume 4 voices of polyphony, whereas the Studio Canvas modules can have up to 8 voices of polyphony consumed in a single patch.  I should note too, that the XV-2020 simply cannot compete with the SC-8850 in this regard.  It only has 64 voices of polyphony, and most patches consume 3 - 6 voices (some up to Cool of polyphony.  Why is this a huge problem?  Well, if I'm trying to flesh out some musical ideas (just music here, not timbre things), it's very frustrating to not be able to hear the interactions of different instruments because the module can't keep up.  The SC-8850 is probably the ultimate "sketch" module.

3.  Compared to my XV-2020, the SC-8850 is stupid easy to use.  With the XV-2020, you have to dial it into multi-timbre mode, as opposed to the SC - which is always ready to receive whatever you send it.

4.  It's a true GS synth.  This is as good as GS will ever get, and the SC-8850 is pretty much compatible with almost every MIDI file out there.  The only time you'll see a "No Instrument" is if you play a file that doesn't send a reset command.

CONS:

1.  Considering its sound quality (compared to the professional XV series and JV series), it's a bit expensive.  Any JV-series synth will be cheaper, and an XV-5050 and XV-2020 are about the same(ish) price.

2.  It's not a "real" synth.  There's no patch creation, no expansion - only what you get in the box.  Sure, you could modify some parameters of a timbre (attack, sustain, release, decay), and pump a patch with effects, but you can't go down into the waveform bank and create your own stuff (which is a real shame).  The XV CAN do this, and I've made some cool-sounding stuff just by messing around with all the different things it can do.

3.  Not REALLY a con, but I can't seem to find a Cubase Patchscript for this guy.  I'll have to probably use an SC-88pro map and modify it to support the new sounds.

If anyone has any questions or comments - or recording requests, don't hesitate.  It really is a sweet module.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2012, 11:40:15 AM »

The SC8850 use 32Hz Samples with Datacompression, I think ADPCM with 4:1 compression!

Btw, as a SC8850 user, you can try my SC8850 Midi Files here:

http://mdstudio.de/sc-8850.htm

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2012, 09:12:19 PM »

You mean 32kHz.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2012, 11:03:47 PM »

You mean 32kHz.

Of course he meant that.  Don't resurrect an old thread just to troll... 
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2013, 05:03:00 AM »

You mean 32kHz.


Of course he meant that.  Don't resurrect an old thread just to troll...  


I just read this today...

Since when putting right and correct information is called "trolling", trolling is just what you did IMHO.

Btw, this side of the forum, only ONE topic has a bit "life" here, but it already fadded away (last post from february):
http://queststudios.com/smf/index.php/topic,3525.0.html

Your post was very very sad and meany, really.

Btw, I also got a SC-8850, so this ain't offtopic at all.  It wasn't expensive anymore.
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2013, 09:25:51 PM »

Eh sorry, wasn't trying to be mean (yes - sometimes I come here out of the blue moon too!).  I legitimately thought you were trolling.  Let me explain:

I create a topic that's almost two years old now.  Some dude comes on (which, is not just some dude by the way - he's made very excellent SC-8850 files and contributed to the forum) and makes an obvious mistake.  I mean, a very, very obvious mistake.  In the same league as saying my car goes from 0-6 mph in under eight seconds.  When obviously I meant to say 0-60mph.

So he comes on here and says 32hz samples.  And six months later you bump the thread to correct his mistake.  Well of course, he meant 32khz samples.  As far as I know, there isn't a single synthesizer that operates on 32hz samples.  The samples would sound like a garbled mess.  Anywho, that's why I thought you were trolling.  You see why right?  It just irritated me to see someone bump a thread I made two years ago for something so trivial.

And really, if you weren't trying to, (and it now seems that you weren't) then I am sorry.  I belong to another forum where people troll and bump threads just to get the post count.  Obviously, with the fact that this place is a little dead these days, you probably weren't trying to do it.  Wink  I hope that I could at least communicate where I was coming from though.  Glad to see you've got an SC-8850 and I hope you enjoy it.  I'm actually trying to sell mine.  Cheesy  But yeah, that did sound mean and I apologize.  Not sure what gave me a case of "the ass!"  Wink
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2013, 07:49:37 AM »

Since this old thread keeps getting bumped anyway... did you ever find a Cubase patch script for the 8850? Darn it, you talking it up makes me want to get mine back from the friend I loaned it to... over a year and a half ago...

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2013, 04:21:54 PM »

By patch script, do you mean something that has all the ~1,650 patch names in it?

- Alistair
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2013, 07:48:40 AM »

I would guess that is what he means, and it certainly is what I mean...  Tongue

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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2013, 03:43:51 PM »

I would guess that is what he means, and it certainly is what I mean...  Tongue

Ben

Lol.  I'm gonna bump it yet again.  No I never got the patch script going.  I'll be selling my SC-8850 soon again.  I put it up for sale earlier here and somewhere else, but since no one was interested, I just held on to it.  Gonna try another round of sales before I put it up on the Bay.  I've been using the SC-88pro patchscript.  If I need an 8850-only sound, I simply dial it in.  For the most part, I usually end up using the 88pro sounds.
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