It's okay, John, I know there's little room for opinion at this board. And mine isn't overly positive. Constructive criticism would be more useful, I appreciate that- I like to think I'm pretty good, normally. I do get riled up sometimes, though.
But I liked that post. First time I've felt relaxed in this thread.
I think all three of you who posted after me have one thing wrong, though. I don't know where this 'Alistair wants every sound effect on a soundtrack CD' idea came from! In the very early days, it was something I did. Back then, I couldn't mix the MT-32 and Sound Canvas. Heck, I didn't even have a working Sound Canvas! (My 55 was busted.)
I've definitely moved on from those days. Though, I believe certain 10-15 second melodies can be incorporated into a CD. (Take 'The Drunk' from LSL1, Tom combined it into the 'Quiki Mart' track. And 'The End' from LSL3.)
I'll be perfectly honest- I'm almost done with my GK1 CD. There's only two tracks which possibly fall into the category you're talking about. One is the 'Rada Drummer', and one is the 'Voodoo Museum Snake Attack', both about 30 seconds. The other 78:07 is all music! Let's get with the times, people- I'm not including barely any GK sfx. I haven't devoted a track to 'Gabriel's Motorcycle'.
Sigh. Yes, comments like this are entirely invalid:
Nobody wants to listen to a soundtrack containing +100 tracks of which half consist of short (less than 10 seconds) loops. That is not a soundtrack in my view as it does not add to the listing pleasure. And I do hope that the essence of creating a soundtrack is that people will listen to it.
So, Alistair, please explain to me where this drive for creating 'complete' soundtracks come from and why you appear to focus so much on quantity in terms of tracks rather than quality.
(I take particular offence to that one.)
I do believe all the major themes should be present, and very few QuestStudios CD's are musically complete. Eco Quest 1 and King's Quest VI are two cases of a full CD (though, in KQ6 there's a song you can get by going an alternative way to the Castle at the end..
). Would you prefer the other way, Ivar, where the CD's lack tracks? Larry 5/6 are two good examples. I remember there being a woman called 'Thunderbird' in LSL6. And there's a theme for the 'Guard Shack' that's a spoof of the Bond theme. They're not 10 second sound effect pieces, let me assure you. And as I've mentioned previously, there's 10 minutes of music at least absent from LSL5CD. If you were arguing that you wouldn't listen to a CD that was complete, I'll argue I won't listen to an 'incomplete' CD. And quite often I record extra themes to supplement Tom's excellent works, when I burn CD's of Sierra soundtracks.
I wouldn't listen to anything like that (CD's full of sound effects and 10 second tracks) either, strangely enough.
With KQ7, I was saying that there is a lot of *music* from the game! Extracted MIDI's that are over 2 KB in the game (usually indicates musical track) number 115!
There's certainly more than KQ6.
I believe few of you guys have played it (or listened to it), which makes you unable to comment on its' 'complete soundtrack-ness'.
On to Marten.
Alistair, you have some infamy among Quest Studios regulars. I recognize that you want to help continuously improve Quest Studios; for example, you have a concept of what a "Complete Soundtrack" should be,
I won't touch on why I'm 'infamous'. I was awful 2 years ago, I admit it (I can't even look at my posts from back then). I'd like to think we've (Tom and I, for example) moved beyond that. It was hard in the beginning (August 2002) when I had no support, and I suppose a reason as to why I've been especially defensive in this thread is that after not getting any support whatsoever from this group for 2 years someone anonymous comes along and gets complete support.
As for the rest of that quote; not entirely true, I have a concept of 'perfection'. I know I'm not going to meet it, Tom can get closer, and so I always see the 'gaps'.
I always see Sierra music from a theoretical point of view (which is hard, since sometimes the best tracks are made by breaking the 'rules') before a practical point of view. It's quite academic.
Let's clear this one up for the final time. My concept of a 'complete soundtrack' is one where all the music's there! For example, the LB2 GM MIDI. There's at least 30 minutes of musical tracks, not SFX, that's missing. That's not me wanting to hear every 'break glass' or 'taxi' effect..
For me, a soundtrack should take you through the game. You can usually tell where pieces have been missed by the soundtrack skipping to a further point in the game while missing out a previous bit. (SQ6GM.MID, 'Dr. Beleauxs Lab Part 2' followed by 'Return to Delta Burksilon' is a classic example.)
and when you see that standard hasn't been met, you try to help others step up to the level of professionalism you visualize.
Well, Tom's work is more professional than mine. I've never released a proper soundtrack CD, even yet. That is, a proper mix of the MT-32 and Sound Canvases. You guys will see what I'm really about with GK1, though- the gap will be closed up a bit.
And yes, I've already said, I'll try and go on a constructive drive. I feel in that kind of mood already.
Next long, long paragraph (I won't quote it, it's giant!):
I probably appreciate Tom's hard work (and Ari's) more than anyone. Expressed it as well on multiple occasions.
I'd prefer discussion rather than avoidance as well, I'm always trying to learn. Some of his tracks are very complex (e.g. SC-55 choral enhancements) and getting a default/generic response doesn't do my knowledge any good ('tiring', John?).
I'd prefer all people look past the packaging. Probably time I put points better, still.
No, not more 'complete soundtrack' stuff..
But I'll reply one last time.
I don't think the idea is a good one. I minimise sound effects on my CD's, and make the CD tailored to fit a 80 minute CD, usually. I just don't see the point.
And with KQ7, can we wait until this guy releases the CD? I'll comment more then (though, by the way- when I was working on KQ7 about three months ago, I recorded about 30 tracks or so.. none less than a minute).
I agree with Ari's point. Spot on.
One last word- anyone who replies to just one particular sentence out of this long post has really missed the point.. let's have proper discussion.
Yikes, I spent an hour on this? I'm off to record Willy Beamish tracks.